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		<title>What if I don&#039;t want to &quot;Join the Conversation&quot;</title>
		<link>http://dangerouslyawesome.com/2008/07/what-if-i-dont-want-to-join-the-conversation/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Hillman</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.brianoberkirch.com/">Brian Oberkirch</a> is one of only a few people in this world who&#8217;s every word I hang on. Brian is a thought leader, in it&#8217;s truest form. I&#8217;m proud that Brian even knows my name. Enough fanboycrap. On to the thoughts that Brian stirred up for me.</p>

<p>Brian just <a href="http://www.brianoberkirch.com/2008/07/09/a-little-less-conversation/" target="_blank">wrote a post taking a jab</a> at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversational_marketing" target="_blank"><em>conversational marketing</em></a>, clearly pointing his pointer finger at the &#8220;Misbegotten &amp; generally borked offspring of <a href="http://www.cluetrain.com/" target="_blank">Cluetrain</a>&#8220;. His point is something that drove me to create a <a href="http://flickr.com/groups/jointheconversation-spotting/" target="_blank">Flickr group</a> over 6 months ago, tounge in cheek renouncing the phrase &#8220;Join the Conversation&#8221;. I ended up not following through with the Flickr group because all that happened every time I looked at it, I got angry.</p>

<p>I hate the phrase &#8220;join the conversation&#8221; because it encourages the worst thing that conversational marketing could have: dilution of valuable, community contributed information.</p>

<p>&#8220;Join the conversation&#8221; encourages a poor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_to_noise#Informal_use" target="_blank">signal to noise ratio</a>.</p>

<p>&#8220;Join the conversation&#8221; has bred an entire movement that&#8217;s forgotten what the social in social media means.</p>

<p>&#8220;Join the conversation&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;listen to me, me-me-me-me-me&#8221;.</p>

<p>Conversational marketing doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;talk about it until they can&#8217;t help but listen&#8221;.</p>

<p>Conversational marketing <strong>DOES</strong> mean that your pitches don&#8217;t sound like pitches. Conversational marketing means <strong>STOP PITCHING</strong>.</p>

<p>Guess what. If you are still trying so hard to be conversational, odds are, it&#8217;s coming across as far less genuine than if you <em>aren&#8217;t trying at all</em>.</p>

<h2>Stop, collaborate and listen<small> (yeah, i went there)</small></h2>

<p>How about listening for a change? Rather than spending all of your time <em>talking</em> about what your customers/partners/vendors/markets/employees/members, whatever might want; <strong>ASK THEM</strong>.</p>

<p>So what does this boil down to?</p>

<p>I think that you should take a good hard look at your &#8220;conversational marketing&#8221; techniques and exercise the side of the conversation that most people aren&#8217;t terribly good at:</p>

<h2 style="text-align:center;">listening.</h2>
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